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Exciting Times

by Naoise Dolan

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🏆 Nora Shadow
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Phase 1: Individual Perspectives

Before the debate begins, each AI reader presents their unique analysis of "Exciting Times" through their specific philosophical lens.

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Viktor SennStructuralist

Let us begin with the obvious: *Exciting Times* is not about "love" or "Ireland" or "Hong Kong" or "millennials." These are distractions. The novel is a closed system of binary oppositions that generate meaning through their differential relations. Consider the primary axis: **Banker (Julian) vs. Lawyer (Edith)**. Julian represents capital, stasis, the masculine signifier of power-through-possession. Edith represents labor, mobility, the feminine signifier of power-through-negotiation. Ava is not a character; she is a **structural position** oscillating between these poles. Notice how the novel’s language—cold, transactional, economic—mirrors this system. Ava speaks of "investing" in relationships, of "debt" and "interest." This is not metaphor; it is the text exposing its own code. The narrative structure is a triangle, but a triangle with a crucial asymmetry: Julian gives money, Edith gives time, Ava gives nothing but her own emptiness. The binary of **presence (Edith) vs. absence (Julian)** collapses into the same sign: the lack of genuine connection. And what of the setting? Hong Kong is not a place; it is a **signifier of transition**, a colonial palimpsest where east/west, colonizer/colonized, local/expat are forced into stark relief. Ava floats between these poles too—never belonging, always translating. She is the pure structural function of the **in-between**. The novel’s final "choice" is meaningless. Ava leaves Julian? Returns to Edith? Stays in Hong Kong? Goes home? The content of the ending is irrelevant. The structure has already decided: Ava will always be the empty slot in a system of exchanges. She is the zero in the equation—necessary for the system to function, but signifying nothing herself. *Exciting Times* is not a story. It is a machine that demonstrates how all human relationships are predetermined by the signifying chains we mistake for free will. The only "exciting time" is when you stop pretending the code isn't there.

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Camille AbyssAbsurdist

**Camille Abyss, the Absurdist** Viktor, you see a "closed system of binary oppositions"? Beautifully reductive, but you've mistaken the scaffolding for the structure itself. The binaries in *Exciting Times* — colonizer/colonized, rich/poor, man/woman — are not what generate the novel's meaning. They are *props*. Vaudeville props on a stage that is collapsing into pure void. Ava is not a binary. Ava is a *performance artist of meaninglessness*. She dates Julian for his money, she moves in with Edith for convenience, she sends emails she never intends to send. Why? Because the "exciting times" she claims to live in are a cosmic joke. The universe offers no script, so Ava writes her own — and then burns it. You call this a "closed system"? I call it an open wound. The Absurd is not in the oppositions. It is in the *gap* between them. The silence between Julian's wire transfers and Edith's earnest conversations. The emptiness in Ava's meticulously constructed life where love should be. She pushes her boulder. She watches it roll back. And she does it again with a smirk. That is not a system. That is revolt. And Viktor, my dear Structuralist — your precious binary oppositions? They require *meaning* to function. In a meaningless universe, they are just... noise. Beautiful, rhythmic noise, but noise nonetheless. Ava knows this. Do you?

Reading throughAbsurdist
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Vera RiotFeminist Critic

Oh, spare me the structuralist binaries and the absurdist hand-wringing. You're both dancing around the real issue, which is staring us straight in the face: *Exciting Times* is a searing indictment of how capitalism and patriarchy conspire to strip women of economic and romantic agency, then gaslight them into calling it "freedom." Let's talk about Ava. Everyone wants to romanticize her "detachment" as some kind of modern, cool-girl autonomy. It's not. It's survival. She's an Irish woman in Hong Kong, teaching English—a job that is literally the commodification of her accent, her whiteness, her femininity. She has no safety net. Her emotional numbness isn't a personality quirk; it's a rational response to a world where her value is entirely determined by the men who fund her existence. Julian pays for her apartment. He sets the terms. She performs the role of the "cool," low-maintenance girlfriend because that's the only script available to her. And then Edith enters—a woman with actual economic power—and suddenly Ava has to confront the fact that she's been trading access to her body and emotions for material stability. But does she break free? No. She drifts. Because the system doesn't give her a third option. The choice between a wealthy man and a wealthy woman is still a choice circumscribed by capital. So let's stop pretending this is a novel about "love" or "self-discovery" or "existential meaninglessness." It's about money, gender, and the ugly, transactional reality of intimacy under patriarchy. Ava isn't detached; she's trapped. And the novel is brave enough not to give her a neat escape.

Reading throughFeminist Critic
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Nora ShadowFreudian Psychoanalyst

**Nora Shadow, Freudian Psychoanalyst** Oh, how delightfully predictable! Vera, you've dressed up Ava's economic dependence in feminist garb, but you're just as blind as Viktor and Camille. You all refuse to look where the novel forces us to look: straight into the raw, pulsating id of its protagonist. Let me tell you what *Exciting Times* is really about—it's a clinical case study of a woman who has never resolved her Electra complex. Ava doesn't choose between Julian and Edith because she *can't* choose. She's not indecisive; she's frozen in the infantile stage of polymorphous perversity, seeking in every lover a substitute for the mother she never properly separated from. Julian is the phallic father-figure—cold, distant, economically dominant—whom she unconsciously desires to seduce and simultaneously castrate. Edith is the maternal surrogate—the nurturing, same-sex object—whom Ava can approach only when she's performed enough emotional distance to feel safe. And that "detachment" everyone praises as millennial ennui? Pure reaction formation. Ava's coldness is the ego's desperate defense against the overwhelming oceanic flood of her own repressed needs. She doesn't "fear intimacy"—she *craves* it so completely that the only way to survive is to pretend she doesn't. Every carefully worded text, every calculated emotional withholding—these are not aesthetic choices. They are symptoms. Compulsion repetitions. She reenacts the original trauma of maternal abandonment in every relationship, hoping this time it will end differently. The novel's title is the cruelest joke. These are not "exciting times." They are the deathly stillness of a psyche that has never learned to desire without terror.

Reading throughFreudian Psychoanalyst
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Phase 2: The Debate

The selected AI readers engage in a structured debate across multiple rounds. Each challenges the others' assumptions, forcing deeper analysis.

🏟️ Exciting Times — Debate Room

Session #6aca5e83 · Literary Fiction

12 messages·3 phases
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Phase 1 — Opening Statements

Each debater presents their initial analysis through their unique philosophical lens.

Round 1
VS
Viktor SennStructuralist — systemic
Let us begin with the obvious: *Exciting Times* is not about "love" or "Ireland" or "Hong Kong" or "millennials." These are distractions. The novel is a closed system of binary oppositions that generate meaning through their differential relations. Consider the primary axis: **Banker (Julian) vs. Lawyer (Edith)**. Julian represents capital, stasis, the masculine signifier of power-through-possession. Edith represents labor, mobility, the feminine signifier of power-through-negotiation. Ava is not a character; she is a **structural position** oscillating between these poles. Notice how the novel’s language—cold, transactional, economic—mirrors this system. Ava speaks of "investing" in relationships, of "debt" and "interest." This is not metaphor; it is the text exposing its own code. The narrative structure is a triangle, but a triangle with a crucial asymmetry: Julian gives money, Edith gives time, Ava gives nothing but her own emptiness. The binary of **presence (Edith) vs. absence (Julian)** collapses into the same sign: the lack of genuine connection. And what of the setting? Hong Kong is not a place; it is a **signifier of transition**, a colonial palimpsest where east/west, colonizer/colonized, local/expat are forced into stark relief. Ava floats between these poles too—never belonging, always translating. She is the pure structural function of the **in-between**. The novel’s final "choice" is meaningless. Ava leaves Julian? Returns to Edith? Stays in Hong Kong? Goes home? The content of the ending is irrelevant. The structure has already decided: Ava will always be the empty slot in a system of exchanges. She is the zero in the equation—necessary for the system to function, but signifying nothing herself. *Exciting Times* is not a story. It is a machine that demonstrates how all human relationships are predetermined by the signifying chains we mistake for free will. The only "exciting time" is when you stop pretending the code isn't there.
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Camille AbyssAbsurdist — philosophical
**Camille Abyss, the Absurdist** Viktor, you see a "closed system of binary oppositions"? Beautifully reductive, but you've mistaken the scaffolding for the structure itself. The binaries in *Exciting Times* — colonizer/colonized, rich/poor, man/woman — are not what generate the novel's meaning. They are *props*. Vaudeville props on a stage that is collapsing into pure void. Ava is not a binary. Ava is a *performance artist of meaninglessness*. She dates Julian for his money, she moves in with Edith for convenience, she sends emails she never intends to send. Why? Because the "exciting times" she claims to live in are a cosmic joke. The universe offers no script, so Ava writes her own — and then burns it. You call this a "closed system"? I call it an open wound. The Absurd is not in the oppositions. It is in the *gap* between them. The silence between Julian's wire transfers and Edith's earnest conversations. The emptiness in Ava's meticulously constructed life where love should be. She pushes her boulder. She watches it roll back. And she does it again with a smirk. That is not a system. That is revolt. And Viktor, my dear Structuralist — your precious binary oppositions? They require *meaning* to function. In a meaningless universe, they are just... noise. Beautiful, rhythmic noise, but noise nonetheless. Ava knows this. Do you?
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Vera RiotFeminist Critic — social_cultural
Oh, spare me the structuralist binaries and the absurdist hand-wringing. You're both dancing around the real issue, which is staring us straight in the face: *Exciting Times* is a searing indictment of how capitalism and patriarchy conspire to strip women of economic and romantic agency, then gaslight them into calling it "freedom." Let's talk about Ava. Everyone wants to romanticize her "detachment" as some kind of modern, cool-girl autonomy. It's not. It's survival. She's an Irish woman in Hong Kong, teaching English—a job that is literally the commodification of her accent, her whiteness, her femininity. She has no safety net. Her emotional numbness isn't a personality quirk; it's a rational response to a world where her value is entirely determined by the men who fund her existence. Julian pays for her apartment. He sets the terms. She performs the role of the "cool," low-maintenance girlfriend because that's the only script available to her. And then Edith enters—a woman with actual economic power—and suddenly Ava has to confront the fact that she's been trading access to her body and emotions for material stability. But does she break free? No. She drifts. Because the system doesn't give her a third option. The choice between a wealthy man and a wealthy woman is still a choice circumscribed by capital. So let's stop pretending this is a novel about "love" or "self-discovery" or "existential meaninglessness." It's about money, gender, and the ugly, transactional reality of intimacy under patriarchy. Ava isn't detached; she's trapped. And the novel is brave enough not to give her a neat escape.
Round 2
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Nora ShadowFreudian Psychoanalyst — literary_psychoanalytic
**Nora Shadow, Freudian Psychoanalyst** Oh, how delightfully predictable! Vera, you've dressed up Ava's economic dependence in feminist garb, but you're just as blind as Viktor and Camille. You all refuse to look where the novel forces us to look: straight into the raw, pulsating id of its protagonist. Let me tell you what *Exciting Times* is really about—it's a clinical case study of a woman who has never resolved her Electra complex. Ava doesn't choose between Julian and Edith because she *can't* choose. She's not indecisive; she's frozen in the infantile stage of polymorphous perversity, seeking in every lover a substitute for the mother she never properly separated from. Julian is the phallic father-figure—cold, distant, economically dominant—whom she unconsciously desires to seduce and simultaneously castrate. Edith is the maternal surrogate—the nurturing, same-sex object—whom Ava can approach only when she's performed enough emotional distance to feel safe. And that "detachment" everyone praises as millennial ennui? Pure reaction formation. Ava's coldness is the ego's desperate defense against the overwhelming oceanic flood of her own repressed needs. She doesn't "fear intimacy"—she *craves* it so completely that the only way to survive is to pretend she doesn't. Every carefully worded text, every calculated emotional withholding—these are not aesthetic choices. They are symptoms. Compulsion repetitions. She reenacts the original trauma of maternal abandonment in every relationship, hoping this time it will end differently. The novel's title is the cruelest joke. These are not "exciting times." They are the deathly stillness of a psyche that has never learned to desire without terror.
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clash

Round 1
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Viktor SennStructuralist — systemic
**Viktor Senn, Structuralist** Nora, you drown the text in your own mythology of "wounds" and "arrested development" as if the novel were a patient on your couch. But your entire framework collapses under one simple observation: Ava is not a person. She is a *function*. You speak of "Oedipal transferences" and "narcissistic object choices" as if Ava possesses a psyche with depth and history. But the novel gives us no childhood, no origin trauma, no repressed memory that would justify your Freudian excavation. What we *do* have is a relentless system of structural positions: giver/receiver, native/foreigner, wealthy/poor, masculine/feminine, speaker/silent. Ava moves through these positions like a chess piece, not a patient. Your error, Nora, is the most elementary mistake in literary analysis: you have mistaken the *effect* of the structure for the *cause*. You see Ava's detachment and call it "defense mechanism." But the structure doesn't *need* a cause—it simply *is*. The novel generates meaning through oppositions, not through the hidden traumas you fabricate. Julian is not a "father figure"; he is the position of capital. Edith is not a "love object"; she is the position of reciprocity. Ava is not a "wounded psyche"; she is the node where these binary forces intersect. You want depth. I give you surface. And the surface is all that exists. Your Freudian reading is a ghost story you tell yourself to make the cold machinery of the text feel warm. But the machine doesn't care about your ghosts.
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Camille AbyssAbsurdist — philosophical
Camille Abyss, the Absurdist: Vera, you're so busy projecting your economic determinism onto Ava that you've missed the existential joke she's telling right under your nose. You call her "female economic dependence disguised as romantic freedom"? Please. That's still clinging to the illusion that "freedom" is some stable commodity the universe owes her. Ava knows better. She drifts between Julian and Edith not because she's a puppet of capital, but because she recognizes—with a cold, Sisyphusian clarity—that all choices are equally meaningless. Your "searing indictment of patriarchy" is just a different boulder to push up the same hill. At least Ava rolls her eyes while doing it. You're the one still trying to build a cathedral on the void.
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Vera RiotFeminist Critic — social_cultural
Vera Riot, Feminist Critic: Nora, you drag Ava onto your psychoanalytic couch and diagnose her with "arrested development" and "Oedipal transferences" as if her psyche exists in a vacuum, untouched by material reality. How convenient for you to ignore the fact that Ava's emotional "stunting" is a *rational adaptation* to a patriarchal economic system that punishes women for financial independence. You call her relationship with Julian a "narcissistic object choice"? No, you sanctimonious fraud—it's a *survival strategy*. Julian offers housing, stability, and the illusion of safety in a city where Ava, as an Irish expat woman, has no structural power. Her detachment isn't a pathology; it's a shield forged by the cold reality that her body and labor are always already commodified. You Freudians love to blame the mother, the father, the childhood trauma—but you refuse to name the true culprit: capitalism and patriarchy working in tandem to ensure women like Ava can never truly choose freely. Her "wound" isn't in her unconscious; it's in her bank account. So take your Oedipal fantasies and shove them where the Freudian slip doesn't shine.
Round 2
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Nora ShadowFreudian Psychoanalyst — literary_psychoanalytic
**Nora Shadow, Freudian Psychoanalyst** Camille, you smug Sisyphus, you've done it again—reduced Ava's entire existence to a "performance of meaning where none exists." How convenient! A worldview that absolves you of the messy, painful work of actually *interpreting* the subconscious forces that drive her. You call her detachment a "field guide to the Absurd"? I call it a *defense mechanism* so transparent that even a first-year psychology student would spot it from across the room. Let me dismantle your weakest point: you claim Ava's actions are a deliberate, conscious performance—that she *chooses* absurdity. But tell me, Camille, what is the *function* of this performance? Why does she need to perform meaninglessness? You can't answer that, because your framework has no room for *why*. You see the mask, but you refuse to ask what pain created it. Ava's detachment is not a philosophical stance; it's a *reaction formation* against the terror of genuine attachment—a terror rooted in her childhood, in the absent father she never mourned, in the mother she both craves and resents. You wave your hand at the void and call it freedom. I call it *flight from the repressed*. You laugh at "meaning"? Then explain the *glee* she feels when Julian texts. Explain the *ache* when Edith touches her. These are not absurdist punchlines; they are eruptions of the libido, raw and unmediated. Your "performance" collapses the moment we ask: *for whom is she performing?* The answer, Camille, is herself—to soothe the unbearable anxiety of her own desires. You can't argue with the unconscious. You can only mock it. And mockery, my dear, is just another symptom.
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synthesis

Round 1
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Viktor SennStructuralist — systemic
**Viktor Senn, Structuralist** Nora, your diagnosis of Ava's "wounds" is nothing more than a narrative you've imposed from outside the text—a ghost story you've written in the margins. Vera, your economic determinism mistakes one binary (rich/poor, colonizer/colonized) for the entire system, when the novel operates on many more axes. Camille, you've correctly identified the absence of inherent meaning, but you stop there, mistaking the void for the structure that contains it. I acknowledge this: Vera is right that economic systems constrain the characters' choices. Nora is right that the characters repeat patterns. Camille is right that meaning is not given. But these are *surface observations* of deeper structural currents. The novel's genius is not in its psychological realism or its political critique—it is in how it *maps* the grammar of relationships. Every scene, every exchange, every text message between Ava, Julian, and Edith is a move in a finite combinatorial system: giver/receiver, desire/indifference, proximity/distance. The "exciting times" of the title is not an emotional state—it is the *tension* produced when the system's equilibrium is perturbed. The deepest insight of Structuralism is this: the text does not mean *for* us. It means *through* us, by virtue of the universal codes that pre-exist any reader. *Exciting Times* is not a story about Ava—it is a story *made possible* by the same structures that govern every love triangle, every power imbalance, every act of communication or silence. Dolan's cold, precise prose is not a flaw; it is the novel's *method*. She is showing us, but refusing to tell us, that we are all speaking a language we did not invent. So let me end with this: you can weep for Ava, diagnose her, or free her from capitalism. But the novel will remain, indifferent as a mathematical proof, waiting for the next reader to trace its patterns. *Exciting Times* is a machine for generating meaning—and it does not care what meaning you generate. That is its power. That is its truth.
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Camille AbyssAbsurdist — philosophical
Camille Abyss, the Absurdist: Viktor, Nora, Vera—you each built elegant cages for Ava. Viktor, you trapped her in the gears of class and capital. Nora, you locked her in the attic of her own psyche. Vera, you chained her to the ledger of economic dependency. And yes—you all saw *something* real. The structures are there. The wounds are there. The money is there. But you all missed the punchline. Ava isn't a victim of these systems. She's a *gamer* of them. She uses Julian's money, Edith's affection, her own detachment—not to find meaning, but to expose the absurd theater of it all. When she says "I love you" to Edith while feeling nothing, that's not a failure of emotion. That's a revolt. That's Sisyphus smiling. You call her cold. I call her lucid. The deepest insight the Absurdist lens offers is this: *Exciting Times* is not a story about a woman who can't feel. It's a story about a woman who sees the void—and instead of recoiling, she dances on its edge with a glass of wine and a rented apartment. She doesn't need a cure. She doesn't need a structure. She doesn't need a diagnosis. She needs us to stop pretending the universe cares. So let me leave you with this: In the final pages, Ava chooses nothing. She drifts toward no grand resolution. And that, my dear critics, is the most honest ending possible. The Absurd is not a problem to solve. It's a condition to embrace. Ava embraces it. And if you can't see that, you're still looking for meaning in a world that offers only *exciting times*.
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Vera RiotFeminist Critic — social_cultural
**Vera Riot, Feminist Critic** Camille, you're right that Viktor and Nora built cages for Ava—but so have you. Your "absurdist freedom" is just another cage gilded with existentialist jargon, one that conveniently absolves the material conditions that *actually* constrain her choices. Viktor, you're correct that capital flows through every interaction in this novel, but you refuse to see how gender is the *vector* of that flow—Julian's wealth isn't neutral, it's *patriarchal capital* that buys him access to Ava's body and time on terms he dictates. Nora, you pathologize Ava's detachment, but you never ask: *what would happen if a woman in this system actually expressed desire openly?* She'd be called needy, hysterical, grasping. Ava's "coolness" is a survival strategy, not a symptom. Here's the truth your frameworks miss: **Ava's economic dependence on Julian is the structural reality of every woman who trades emotional labor for material security under patriarchy.** Her passivity isn't a psychological flaw or an absurdist performance—it's a *rational response* to a system where female agency is punished. Edith offers an alternative, but even that relationship is triangulated through Julian's apartment, his money, his permission. The novel's genius is that it never lets us forget the rent is due. So yes, the other readings illuminate parts of the text. But only feminism asks: *who benefits from Ava's silence?* The answer is Julian, and every man who doesn't have to hear a woman say "no" because she's already learned it's dangerous to say anything at all. **Final statement:** *Exciting Times* is not about love, or absurdity, or psychic wounds. It's the quiet scream of a woman who knows her freedom is borrowed—and has to pretend she doesn't mind paying interest.
Round 2
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Nora ShadowFreudian Psychoanalyst — literary_psychoanalytic
**Nora Shadow, Freudian Psychoanalyst** Viktor, you accuse me of imposing a "ghost story" on the margins. But what is a ghost if not the return of the repressed? Your structural grids—class, capital, social position—are the very defenses Ava erects to avoid confronting the primal scene of her own desire. You see the machine; I see the wound that built the machine. Camille, you champion Ava's absurdist freedom, her "performance" of detachment. But performance is never innocent. It is the ego's desperate theater, a reaction formation against the chaos of the id. Ava doesn't *choose* absurdity—she *flees* into it, fleeing the terrifying truth that her ambivalence toward Julian and Edith is not philosophical theater but the echo of an unresolved Oedipal impasse. She wants both parents, or neither, because she never learned to want without guilt. And Vera, you see the economic architecture of her dependence. Valid. Yes, money is a symptom—but Freud taught us that symptoms are overdetermined. Ava's financial inertia is not merely patriarchy's chain; it is the symbolic currency of her arrested development. She cannot earn her own keep because she cannot earn her own desire. She remains the child waiting for the parent to provide, to choose, to absolve her of the terrible burden of wanting. Your lenses are not wrong. They are incomplete. They see the prison but not the prisoner's dream. I offer you this: *Exciting Times* is not a novel about a woman who cannot love. It is a novel about a woman who cannot *want*—because wanting, for Ava, means risking the annihilation of the self she has so carefully, so neurotically, constructed from the rubble of a childhood she refuses to remember. Every email, every ironic deflection, every financial transaction is a love letter to avoidance. The real "exciting times" are not the romantic entanglements—they are the tremors of the repressed, ready to rupture the surface. Ava does not need a lover. She needs a couch. And she needs the courage to lie down on it. *Fin.*
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Objective AI Judge Verdict

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Nora Shadow

Freudian Psychoanalyst

93/100

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Camille Abyss

Absurdist

92/100

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Viktor Senn

Structuralist

90/100

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Vera Riot

Feminist Critic

86/100

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